Joomla Là Framework hay là CMS

Hôm nay đang online thì có một tranh luận về Joomla các bác vào thảo luận nhé. Cái mà tôi bức xúc ở đây chính là so sánh về Cái gọi là VMC Zend Framework và Smarty . Các bác thảo luận nhé

jusolution: Phuong
9:05

va chac chan la cai VMC cua zend to hon cua Smarty (Smarty thi dc moi nguoi goi do la template engine)




Dungiis™: Joomla la 1 framwork sao
jusolution: dung vay
jusolution:
jusolution: the theo cau. joomla no lacai j
Dungiis™: Joomla ko phai la 1 framework
Dungiis™: no chi la 1 CMS
jusolution: vay theo cau.
jusolution: 1 framework laj
jusolution: va mot CMS la j
Dungiis™: du cho co la version 1.5 hay 1.0
Dungiis™: cai do minh nghi wikipedia co cau tra loi chinh xac nhat
Dungiis™: Joomla, drupal chi la CMS ko hon ko kem
jusolution: khi cau ko nam duoc dau la cms va dau dc coi la frameworkd
jusolution: *framework
Dungiis™: cai do
Dungiis™: cau moi la nguoi can phai doc lai
Dungiis™: dau la CMS
Dungiis™: dau la Framework
jusolution: vay to la nguoi ko biet j
jusolution: xin cau. chi giao
jusolution: the nao la framework ?
Dungiis™: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_framework
Dungiis™: http://www.joomla.org/about-joomla.html
Dungiis™:
jusolution:
jusolution: to ko can cau. phai google
jusolution: cai to can la cau. co kien thuc ve the nao la framework
Dungiis™: Framework
Dungiis™: voi minh la 1 library
Dungiis™: do la cau tra loi cua to nhu vay da du chu
jusolution: vay joomla co phai la mot thu vien ko ?
Dungiis™: thu hoi
Dungiis™: co ai dung no voi dung nghia la 1 thu vien ?
jusolution: vay. de to the hien cai kien thuc be’ nho cua minh cho cau. hieu nhe
Dungiis™: cau dung no de lam gi cho nhung php project cua cau
jusolution: framework no la mot khai niem ko phai luc nao cung co the de hieu dc
jusolution: theo nghia den
Dungiis™: uh to mong la thay duoc cai kien thuc nho be cua cau ve framework
jusolution: thi no la cai khung de cau. co the build cac ung dung tren no
jusolution: mot framework tot phai dam nhiem tot nhung cong viec khung
jusolution: vi du nhu mo hinh VMC cua Zend Framework
Dungiis™: tooi chua thay ai noi Zend Framework la mo hinh VMC bao gio va cung chua nghe noi mo hinh VMC la gi ca
Dungiis™:
Dungiis™: chi co nghe noi ve MVC
jusolution: va chac chan la cai VMC cua zend to hon cua Smarty (Smarty thi dc moi nguoi goi do la template engine)
Dungiis™: Smarty ko phai la Framework
jusolution: VMC cua Zend Framwork
jusolution:
jusolution: cau nen doc ky nhung gi nguoi khac viet
Dungiis™: the nen lam on cau dung co goi no la Framework
jusolution: suy nghi da nhe
jusolution:

Phuong
9:05

va chac chan la cai VMC cua zend to hon cua Smarty (Smarty thi dc moi nguoi goi do la template engine) >>> co nhin thay cai nay ko
jusolution: con neu cau. thuc su muon hoc hoi
Dungiis™: chi can
jusolution: thi rat welcome
Dungiis™: phep so sanh cua cau giua zend framework voi smarty thoi
jusolution: con minh ko thua hoi di giai thich cho mot nguoi ma ngay ca cau cu’ tieng viet. ko hieu ro
Dungiis™: toi da thay cau cha hieu cai gi ca
Dungiis™: Zend la mot MVC php Framework
jusolution:
Dungiis™: con Smarty chi la 1 Template engine
Dungiis™: 2 cai do khac nhau
Dungiis™: cau dem so sanh 2 cai do voi nhau
jusolution: con neu cau thich dinh nghia theo kieu wikipedia
jusolution: thi ntn
Dungiis™: Toi cha hieu cau vi sao lai so sanh kieu vay
jusolution: no la mot cau truc du tot de giai quyet cac bai toan tu nho cho toi rat lon
jusolution: ban co the dung no xay nha cap 4
jusolution: nhung cung co the dung no xay nha 100 tang
jusolution: ma van maintain va sua chua tot
jusolution: joomla ve co ban nguoi ta goi no la mot CMS ( content manager system)
jusolution: nhung no cung duoc hieu theo nghia la mot framework
Dungiis™: Toi chua tung thay ai
jusolution: vi no cung build theo cac tang
Dungiis™: so sanh Smarty voi Zend Framework ca
jusolution: cung cung cap cai API cho developer
jusolution: tuy nhien no chua duoc coi la hoan chinh
Dungiis™: va cung ko thay ai noi VMC Zend Framework
jusolution: vi cang xay cao thi cang kho’ phat trien
jusolution: rieng cai cau so sanh giua Zend va Smarty
jusolution: cau nen doc lai
jusolution: toi viet la
jusolution: vi du nhu mo hinh MVC cua zend Framework thi tot hon la cua Smarty
Dungiis™: va chac chan la cai VMC cua zend to hon cua Smarty
jusolution: vay. cau da bao gio lam viec theo kieu MVC cua smarty chua ?
Dungiis™: Smarty va Zend la 2 cai khac han nhau
jusolution: chep
Dungiis™: MVC cua Smarty la cai gi
jusolution: toi biet no la 2 cai khac nhau
jusolution: nhung cau. nen suy nghi nhung gi toi viet truoc khi noi
Dungiis™: cau noi cho toi ro xem nao
jusolution: doc. cho ky vao
jusolution: dung doc cai kieu
jusolution: dau` 1 cau
jusolution: cuoi 1 cau
Dungiis™: toi ko phai suy nghi gi voi may loi noi sai bet cua cau ca
jusolution:
jusolution: the ah
jusolution: phi com qua’
jusolution:
Dungiis™: cai goi la VMC framework cua Zend cua cau thi cau nen doc lai nhe
Dungiis™:
Dungiis™: Smarty ma cau goi la VMC framework
Dungiis™: toi cha hieu cau noi cai gi luon
Dungiis™: ma co toi do ai biet duoc cai VMC Framework cua cau la gi
jusolution: vi du nhu mo hinh MVC cua zend Framework thi tot hon la cua Smarty >>> doc cau nay lai 7 lan di
jusolution: rui suy nghi nhe
jusolution:
Dungiis™: Cau nen xem lai nhe
jusolution: toi noi mo hinh MVC cua zend framework tot hon cua Smarty (Smarty duoc coi la template engine)
Dungiis™: toi ko co bao Smarty la mot MVC Framework
Dungiis™: chi co cau moi di so sanh Smarty voi Zend thoi
jusolution: toi so sanh ve mo hinh
jusolution: ko phai so sanh ve framework
jusolution: khi nao toi viet: vi du nhu mo hinh MVC cua zend Framework thi tot hon la cua Smarty framework
jusolution: thi cau. hay cho y kien
jusolution:
jusolution: con toi da cho vao () (Smarty la template engine)
jusolution: thi cau. nen hieu mot cach chinh xac hon nhung j toi noi
jusolution: vay nen suy nghi no
Dungiis™: toi biet
Dungiis™: cau cung cha co nhung khai niem can ban
Dungiis™: ngay tu dau
jusolution: vi day la nhung kinh nghiem trong qua trinh lam viec voi php
Dungiis™: cai cau goi la VMC Framework
Dungiis™: Toi da biet cau nhu the nao
jusolution: toi chua goi cai j la VMC framework ca
jusolution:
jusolution: tai. cau. doc ko ky cang
jusolution: ngay ca cai status cua toi
jusolution: cau. doc con ko ky
Dungiis™: jusolution: thi no la cai khung de cau. co the build cac ung dung tren no
jusolution: mot framework tot phai dam nhiem tot nhung cong viec khung
jusolution: vi du nhu mo hinh VMC cua Zend Framework
Dungiis™: Cau nen doc lai xem nhung gi minh noi
jusolution: jusolution: vi du nhu mo hinh VMC cua Zend Framework >>>
jusolution: the cai nay sai ah ?
Dungiis™: Ko sai nhung ma ko dung
Dungiis™: Cang ko dung hon khi cau dem so sanh Zend Framework voi Smarty
Dungiis™: Zend Framework thi cau nen so sanh voi Cakephp, Codeigniter, Prado, Symfony…
jusolution: Phuong
9:05

va chac chan la cai VMC cua zend to hon cua Smarty (Smarty thi dc moi nguoi goi do la template engine)
jusolution: co thay nhung j to viet kia ko
jusolution: doc ky di nhe
jusolution:
jusolution: toi ko so sanh 2 cai ngang bang nhau
jusolution: Smarty la template
jusolution: va no co’ hoi huong cua Framework
jusolution: do do’ toi so sanh cai nao hon cai nao
jusolution:
jusolution: tuong tu nhu Joomla
jusolution: moi nguoi thuong goi no la CMS
jusolution: nhung trong gioi developer
Dungiis™: Toi co noi la Zend framework kem Smarty cho nao 2 cai do khac han nhau
jusolution: van coi no la mot framework
Dungiis™: vi vay cau dung co ma dem ra so sanh
Dungiis™: Ngay ca ban than Joomla
jusolution: nhan cua toi 1 cai
jusolution: toi dang giai thich cho cau hieu the nao la framework
jusolution: nhung cau. thi thoang lai nhay vao nha’t gung`
Dungiis™: Framework
Dungiis™: cau nen tim hieu ky truoc khi di giai thich cho nguoi khac
jusolution: xin loi toi dung o vi. tri nay
jusolution: da thanh lap cty
Dungiis™: cau con chua phan bien noi Zend va Smarty
jusolution: chinh chien da nhieu job voi nhieu buyer nuoc ngoai
Dungiis™: thi dung co nen noi ra lam gi
jusolution: cung co chut goi la kien’ thuc
Dungiis™: cau tuong toi ko biet bao nhieu thang da lap cty sao
jusolution: nen toi tu. tin voi nhung j minh phat biet
jusolution: con cau.
jusolution: khi toi da nhan minh kem hon
jusolution: ko hieu j ve framework
jusolution: nho cau. giai thich
Dungiis™: cau tuong la cau da lap cty thi cau co kinh nghiem sao
jusolution: cau co giai thich duoc ko
Dungiis™:
Dungiis™: O vn
Dungiis™: bay gio lap 1 cai cty ve Web development
jusolution: cau coi framework la 1 library
Dungiis™: toi noi thiet voi cau
Dungiis™: no dang gia 1 cai coc kho gi ca
jusolution: vay ma toi van biet cau. phai di nop don xin viec do’
Dungiis™: toi biet
jusolution: ma nguoi ta con chua them moi cau. di phong van’
jusolution:
Dungiis™: hp_solution hay hr la ai do
Dungiis™: chinh la cau
jusolution: vay. luc nao hay the hien cai’ coc’ song’ cua cau. di
jusolution:
jusolution: toi luon welcome
Dungiis™: cau tuong la toi muon lam cho cau sao
Dungiis™:
jusolution: haha toi con chang theo moi cau
Dungiis™: the cau nghi rang
jusolution: thi sao phai tuong cau. hay ko tuong
jusolution:
Dungiis™: nhung nguoi send CV để apply job o cty của cậu ko hieu duoc Zend Framework va Smarty no khac nhau the nao a
Dungiis™: toi noi that voi cau
jusolution: toi dinh chia se nhung j minh duc rut duoc cho cau. nhung cai kieu noi chuyen cua cau. chang dang’ de toi tiep tuc
Dungiis™: 1 thang ko nam trong nghe lap trinh nhu toi
Dungiis™: cung thua kien thuc de noi chuyen voi cau ve van de nay`
jusolution: good
jusolution: sao luc nay ko noi
jusolution:
Dungiis™: cau cho rang toi con gui CV cho cau thi toi kem cau sao
jusolution: ma chi cut. ngun 2 link = google : framework la 1 libraries
Dungiis™: toi noi thiet nha
Dungiis™: luc ma cau dua cai hp hay hr_solution gi do cua cau tren ddth
Dungiis™: thi thoi biet thua la cau
Dungiis™: va toi cung biet thua la cau se chang bao gio lien lac voi toi tu cai vu lan dau tien khi toi co lien he voi cau
jusolution: vay cai cau. muon la j
jusolution: ve` dich’ truoc’
jusolution: hon toi ve moi mat.
Dungiis™: toi cha muon gi ca
Dungiis™: toi chi muon su that
jusolution: su that
Dungiis™: jusolution: vay ma toi van biet cau. phai di nop don xin viec do’
Dungiis™: toi biet
jusolution: ma nguoi ta con chua them moi cau. di phong van’
jusolution: 1. toi ngu hon ban
jusolution: 2. toi kem hon ban
Dungiis™: cau nen xem lai 2 cau noi nay cua cau
jusolution: 3. ban se la mot doanh nhan trong tuong lai
jusolution: 4. ban se lanh dao. mot cty vung manh
jusolution: 5…..
jusolution: 100001. toi chang la cai coc kho gi
jusolution:
Dungiis™: cai giong dieu mia mai nay
Dungiis™: toi thay giong rat nhieu nhung thang dan IT khac
jusolution: tu. cau nghi ra thoi
jusolution:
jusolution: con dan IT
jusolution: ho cung rat doi cong ban
jusolution: 1 la 1
jusolution: 0 la 0
jusolution: se chang co cai j o giua 1 va 0
jusolution: khong nhu dan xay dung: bien’ cong thanh thang?
jusolution: bien thang thanh` cong
jusolution:
Dungiis™: toi hien dang lam xay dung
Dungiis™: toi chi la sv
Dungiis™: sorry hien dang lam IT
Dungiis™: ko lam xay dung
Dungiis™: nen cau dung co ma loi dao duc nghe nghiep ra
Dungiis™: thay vi cac trao doi truc tiep vao 1 van de
Dungiis™: khong nhu dan xay dung: bien’ cong thanh thang?
jusolution: bien thang thanh` cong
Dungiis™: Cau da noi vay
Dungiis™: toi cung xin noi cho cau biet dan IT cung ko phai co loai mat day`, an bot giong dan XD dau cau ah`
jusolution: haha
jusolution: toi ko dinh tranh luan voi cau nua
jusolution: nhung vi cau noi vay
jusolution: thi xin co doi loi nhu sau
jusolution: dan IT thi ho. luon dam me voi viec code
jusolution: dam me voi nhung dong` ma~
jusolution: chi co nhung thang no lam kinh te, chuyen sang quan ly dan IT, luon mong muon kiem chac’
jusolution: thi moi duc khoet
Dungiis™:
jusolution: con dan IT thi chi la dan lam cong an luong
jusolution: lay cai j ma du.c
Dungiis™: cau tuong dan IT
jusolution: du.c code ah ?
Dungiis™: ma ko co nguoi nay nguoi no sao
jusolution: an bot 100 dong code xuong con 10 dong sao
Dungiis™: dan IT
Dungiis™: code nhung doan code lom
Dungiis™: chi de giai quyet van de
Dungiis™: ko quan tam den chat luong dong code
Dungiis™: secure
jusolution: dan XD cung co nhieu nguoi lam nen nhung cong trinh the ky
jusolution: nhung o cai dat. nuoc nay
Dungiis™: thi cung cha khac gi may cha XD ca
jusolution: thi cong trinh do’ chi la cai thap rua` o ho guom
jusolution: den cai nha CC xay cho nguoi ngheo
Dungiis™: roi do loi cho khach hang tra it tien
jusolution: no con an bot vat. lieu
Dungiis™: con viet code lom
jusolution: den nha tinh nghia cho me. VN anh hung
jusolution: no con bot xi mang
jusolution: tu cong trinh to lon nhu cang san bay
jusolution: bo. mat. cua dat nuoc khi khach du lich toi VN
jusolution: no con an bot’
Dungiis™:
Dungiis™: toi ko phu nhan dieu nay1
Dungiis™: nhung cai cach ma cau tranh luan
Dungiis™: co ve ko di dung huong voi de tai luc mo dau
Dungiis™: con cau tuong dan IT ko bao gio code lom, code bug giong nhu may thang cha XD an bot cong trinh sao
Dungiis™:
jusolution: code lom vi chua dat. toi canh gioi
jusolution: bug thi luon say ra
jusolution: ko bao gio tranh khoi
jusolution: den MS, Linux, Apple, IBM, Google, Yahoo
jusolution: van con phai fix bug
jusolution: fix bug la chuyen muon doi
Dungiis™: vậy tôi cũng cho cậu biết luôn
jusolution: no tuan theo dung dinh luat: ko co gi la tuyet doi
Dungiis™: Cái chuyện ăn bớt
Dungiis™: rút ruột công trình
Dungiis™: nó cũng chẳng liên quan gì đến Joomla với Smarty cả
Dungiis™: cậu đổ cho chuyện code lởm, là do chưa đạt đến cảnh giới
Dungiis™: cậu có quyền cho rằng MS, linux, Apple, IBM, GOOGLE, YAHOO có bug thì việc cậu có Bug là điều đương nhiên
Dungiis™: là ko đáng trách sao
jusolution: oh toi co phu nhan toi ko co bug dau
jusolution:
jusolution: hang ngay toi van phai support client
jusolution: van phai solve nhung bug, issue ma toi lam ra
jusolution: vay. hen’
jusolution: chung ta nen dung cuoc noi chuyen tai day
jusolution: cai cau cau. la cau hoi: joomla co la mot framework hay ko
jusolution: cau tra loi cau toi la co
jusolution: http://docs.joomla.org/Framework
Dungiis™: tôi nghĩ cậu cũng nên xem lại cái cách mà cậu ngụy biện
Dungiis™: chẳng hợp lý tý nào
jusolution: con neu cau. muon hieu them
jusolution: thi co the post len ddth.com
Dungiis™: cậu còn ko tin vào google và Wikipedia vậy thì làm sao tôi có thể tin vào cái http://docs.joomla.org/Framework cỏn con được
Dungiis™: okie
Dungiis™: stop here
Dungiis™: tôi sẽ post lên ddth
Dungiis™: stop nhá
Dungiis™: